1 "Jennifer, Open Your Eyes" sleep paralysis, shadow figures, Freemasonry, premonitions

Tonight we offer you a look into the paranormal and supernatural as we chat with Jennifer and hear her story about unknown visitations that seem to stem from the freemason connections of her grandfather.

If you have a testimony to share please email us at mysterypiepodcast@protonmail.com we would love to chat with you.

Take no part in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. Ephesians 5:11

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:01

On this show, we're not looking to sensationalize or glorify the dark. Darkness is afraid of it. Maybe some of the people out there that are going through something similar will feel not so alone or feel like they're not being listened to. Because I can imagine how isolating it would be for you to share this story with people in your life and have them kind of roll their eyes or just think that they don't understand. They don't understand.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

We have an excellent show planned for you tonight, and we know there's so many important stories out there that need to be shared with people. So send us an email at MysteryPie Podcast at ProtonMail.com. That's Mystery Pie Podcast at ProtonMail.com. Outcast, what did you think about tonight's show with Jen?

SPEAKER_02 2:14

Well, it it was a very organic journey that we took with her as she fleshed out her experiences. And we kind of sort of, I don't know about you, but I kind of felt like I went into a blind. But then as we went along, I mean I think God led our intuition, our discernment to give the best advice we knew how. Since then, um you and I have gone deep diving into the subject of demonic oppression and that type of thing and how uh the debt system works in the spirit realm. And since recording this has come to our attention, her problems were linked to a generational um connection to Freemasonry. Uh, we now know, I I believe you and I both don't even think it's a theory. We know for a fact that it is most likely the source of her issues came from a family member who came, you know, family members' commitment to Freemasonry, very high-level Freemason. And and how it's been inwarded to us in our research is that when the the devil gave the Freemason, when they hit the 33rd degree, they get some kind of benefit. Now there's a payback. It may not be on that person's life. That might, that person might look like they have a wholly blessed, great life, but it's their the generations after them that are expected to pay up for what they received from that Freemasonry. But we didn't fully know that at the time of recording. We do now.

SPEAKER_03 3:34

I completely agree with that. And uh, you know, not only did we have that Freemasonry talk, um, which is scary in itself, it can be, we talked about sleep paralysis outcast. There was also and shadow figures. Shadow figures in the room, you guys. It's nuts. And uh we talked about uh premonitions and how the all that kind of ties into this stuff. So yeah, what a wild ride, man. Well, I'm excited for the people to hear this.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

And another add-on I want to give to our listeners for context as they listen to this too about the Freemasons. We're not just picking on Freemasons, we're really not. A lot of our information is coming from uh Father Carlos Martins, and he's a renowned, he would he would reject that that statement, renowned, but he is a renowned exorcist, uh Catholic priest exorcist. And he was he was able to articulate it that you are solely God. You are you you are born and God owns you. Okay, whether or not you accept him, you he owns you. When you become a Mason, they make you take an elaborate oath that essentially you become the ownership of the Masons. That flies in defiance to God right there. So if you think that it's just a social club and you make business connections, yeah, on the surface it might do those things, it might do some charity work too. It all seems innocent. But the higher up you get, uh, and the the oaths that you take um are definitely not Christian oaths. In fact, the Bible's pretty clear not to get involved with secret secret societies whatsoever. And this is a perfect example of that.

SPEAKER_03 4:58

Yeah, awesome. It's coming at you right now, so enjoy it, and uh, we'll talk to you on the other side of this.

SPEAKER_01 5:07

Tonight's mystery our testimony because I was in Michigan 1991.

SPEAKER_00 5:14

Okay. Um, I'm not a weirdo, first of all. That's why I hate talking about this because I don't tell anybody because then if people look at me like I'm crazy. But um, I was 18 years old the first time that I had I don't even know if you call it an encounter or what it was. It was something I don't I don't know, but um it was my first year of college, I was home for the weekend, and I was laying in bed. It was I was I was already sleeping, so it was the middle of the night, and I sensed something, you know, you get that sense sometimes that something's wrong, and so I opened my eyes and there was something standing at the end of my bed, and it was just a dark figure. Um, I couldn't tell if I had arms. It was almost like they were like a cloak type thing. There was like moonlight coming through the window, but there were there were no facial features. It was almost like it was um do you know that uh Kenny from South Park? You know why he wears like the sweatshirt? It's all tough, you know, pulled tight. That's what it was. It was like a cloak, but it was pulled like tight, but it was black, super black inside, no facial features whatsoever. So I don't know what uh he, she, I don't know anything like that. Um but I couldn't, I couldn't move, I couldn't scream. Um I tried screaming for my father. I was screaming in my head, but I it wouldn't come out. I couldn't move anything, but I could feel I was I could feel my tears falling down the sides of my face. And I don't know how long it was, but eventually it turned and it walked out the door of the bedroom and it walked down the high hallway. I don't I didn't hear like anything, I could hear hear movement walking down the hallway. But the weirdest thing is that once it hit the kitchen, my parents had a a um linoleum floor, and I could hear footsteps. I heard the back door open and I heard the back door shut. And then I couldn't move, and I screamed and I screamed, and my dad came in and I told him what had happened, and he's like freaking out, and he's going around the house, he's like, There's nothing here, there's nothing here. He's like, Jennifer, the door is deadbolted from the inside. He said there's no one here. He went outside. He's like, There's no one here. I'm like, well, there was, and I couldn't move. And I know a lot of people say sleep paralysis or whatnot, but do you see things when it's sleep paralysis? I I don't know. But um, anyway, my dad didn't sleep for a few nights after that because he was convinced that someone came in our house, and then I was good, just see Nick Balkai, and then I was good until I was about 26 and I just had our second child, and it happened again, but it was at dusk, so the sun was just starting to come out, but it was still dark out, and it always would come after left for work, so I was alone in the bedroom, and it didn't stand at the end of my bed, it stood over me. But this time I could hardly open my eyes before I could open my eyes. I could not open my eyes, it was like trying so hard to open my eyes. I'm like, Jennifer, open your eyes, open your eyes, move a finger, move your toe, move something, just move something. And I'm thinking I could feel that they were leaning over me. I couldn't tell you how many people were in the room or who it was or what it was, but there was something there. And then again, screaming inside, tears falling down the side of my face, and finally, I don't know how long, and then finally I can move and everything was gone, everything was fine. And it was light out, and that happened several times. And I told my husband, and of course, he's like, It's sleep paralysis, it's a thing, and I read about it. I even asked my doctor about them, they're like, Yeah, that's sleep paralysis. And I'm like, But do they no one ever touched me that I know of, but I couldn't I couldn't move, so could I feel anything too? Like, I mean, I I wonder, could I feel something if I couldn't move? If you're paralyzed, can you feel? I mean, I don't know. I don't remember being moved, but I also remember going in and out. I don't I honestly don't know. It's just crazy. And that went on for years. Not all the time, maybe once a month, twice a month, to the point where I was like, I got used to it, where I knew in like, okay, here we go. And so I would just lay there and I'm like, I'm gonna come out of this, go to sleep.

SPEAKER_03 10:30

And so um did it always look the same every time? Every time you looked at it, it looked exactly the same.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Every time. Um, it was harder to see when I was t when I was 26. It was harder to see exactly the shape unlike the first time. But I I don't know, but I will tell you something really weird is that shortly after that we had the kids in the car and we were driving to Florida and we're like, we're just gonna drive all night. And there was a talk show on and they were talking about you know, ghosts and visitors and things like that, and this a caller called in and said someone came into their room when they were sleeping with the same exact the you know, pulled tight the black, you know, cloak. And my husband looked at me and I'm like, see this is not just me. He about died. He was like because everybody thinks I'm crazy, so that's why you don't tell anybody. But and then people call in, call in, call in, you know, saying they saw this, they see the same thing. So that was that was pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_02 11:56

I've heard same stories from other people too, so I know we we know you're not crazy. Um, if you were to take a guess at the like you said, you didn't know you couldn't tell details, so you don't know if it was male or female, but if you were to take a guess, was it a feminine or a masculine energy? Did you sense a size? Was it bigger than you or smaller? Masculine was it bigger than you? So it's was it sizable or was it was it uh impish and small or large, large, okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:24

Tall.

SPEAKER_02 12:25

Um, can you think of any other uh like here just a weird analogy? Bear with me because I'm a weirdo like this, but when I get migraines, I can usually go, okay, I had a a rainy day, a sunny day, followed by a rainy day, and on that sunny day in between the two low pressure systems, I notice a pattern where I get a migraine. Did you have you noticed any patterns to the appearances of these things? Is there anything that happened in the day before, the day after, or um I mean, just just thinking out loud here, is there anything that you've noticed like a correlation to the to the visits besides being tired because I have a one-year-old and a two-year-old at the time, or maybe that was it?

SPEAKER_00 13:09

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

But um so so maybe exhaustion left you vulnerable.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

Could have been, but I mean, I had the same thing when I was 18, and no kids. I was home for yeah, no kids, no husband, no, you know, I was in college. Never bothered me, and college just bothered me at that one house that I grew up in, and then the one house that we lived in and we had built that home. And it was a subdivision, it was built in a farm field, and I don't know the background, but I will tell you that I never had a feeling that it wanted to harm me. I never felt like an evil type feeling. If anything, I think it was something that was not of this earth. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 14:05

What do you think it what do you think it wanted? What was it doing there? Was it I mean, okay, so so obviously you're obviously you're pretty. Was it admiring you, do you think? Something like that?

SPEAKER_00 14:17

It would just stare. I it would just stare, but then when I s when it started happening at the other house, there could have been a hundred of them in the room and I wouldn't have known it because I was not allowed to open my eyes. I mean, it was blurry. What I could see it was blurry, but I could feel sense someone leaning over me. I think if it was evil, I wouldn't have gotten used to it. If I felt like something was out to harm me, that I think I would be more afraid, but I was not afraid. I became that afraid.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

When was the last visitation?

SPEAKER_00 14:55

It would have been twenty three years ago.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

Oh, so it stopped some time ago.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

You know, talking about a shadow person, here's a description I have. It says a shadow person, also known as a shadow figure or black mass, is the perception of a shadow as a living species, humanoid figure, sometimes interpreted as the presence of a spirit or other entity by believers in the paranormal or supernatural. I'm guessing that program that you were listening to that you heard the callers call in, that was probably that was probably coast to coast AM. Yes, it was coast to coast. I remember that. I'm just trying to figure out what why it was there, and if it followed you. Any reason why you think it followed you from one house to another? Because that's that thing is really um I know that is weird that it followed me.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

It's almost like it found me. I don't know. But one thing that stopped me in my tracks was my oldest when he was in college. He called me one day and he said, Mom, when I'm sleeping, I I have these dreams where I can't wake up. He said, 'There's someone in the room with me.' And he said, This is stupid. I know this has got to be a sleep process. I know exactly what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 16:18

The the first thing I thought of, well, Jesse let me know that your your dad was a Mason.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

My grandfather.

SPEAKER_02 16:28

Oh, your grandfather. Oh, that's even.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

My grandfather, my mom's father, yes. He's from England and he was 33rd degree. Yes, he was.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

I maybe I'm being dramatic, but I don't think I am. In my old age, I've, you know, as I've become more of a holy roller, I've listened to a lot of content and and read and on this type of stuff. And I just genuinely believe that there is a battle going on around us at all times that we can't see interdimensionally, like that our eyes aren't able to see the other dimensions, but they can see us. And we have angelic hosts that are seeking to protect us, and we have dark hosts that are seeking to make us part of their party. And um, and when any, I mean, myself included, any of us have ancestors who've who knows, maybe struck a deal for anything from wealth to power to influence, anything that they were looking for, if they made a deal, these things can attach themselves to family lines up to uh four generations. Um, not to dismay you, I'm not trying to worry you, um, because they do not hold up to the power of the name of Jesus Christ. Um, they're there all those contracts are can be broken because they weren't made by you, they were made by an ancestor. But if you don't know about them, if you don't believe that there's this power going on, it will go on unchecked. And and like when there's something I I don't know much about them, I'm just gonna mention it, but there's something I've heard of called monitoring spirits. And that's makes me think like, like, okay, your let's say I'm not trying to cast aspersions on your grandfather, it might have been a great man, but he might have made a contract he wasn't even aware of or didn't know or didn't know what he was getting into. Next thing they attach themselves and they go, Okay, your family line is ours. And then when you get to a certain age, they come and they survey you. And then your son comes of age and they survey him, right? Um, I'm not trying to worry you or concern you because you could, like I said, you can pray over this stuff and in in earnest, and and these these things can be broken. Um, but that's where my head's going, staying on the outside looking into this. I'm going, wow, this is crazy. It's like uh potentially generational. And then when you brought up your son, I was thinking that before you even brought up your son. Um, you know, ask me how many times I well, I guess maybe I have had it once, not with a it was more felt like more like a dream for me. But I had an old girlfriend and she told me she liked you like once a month or once every other every other month, she would wake up in the middle of the night, she could not move, and there were multiple figures circling her bed and tormenting her.

unknown 18:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

So I know and and and I couldn't, you know, I was younger at the time. I was like, I'm thinking to myself, I don't know. I mean, I that hasn't happened to me, I'm not gonna discount it, but you know, maybe, you know, who I you know, at the time I'm thinking maybe it's I just couldn't even wrap my head around it, but I I wasn't dismissive of it. I was just like, okay, but I can't relate. I had another friend, same circle of friends, his name was Robbie and from Clarkston, and he told me that he would uh what's uh he would leave his body and he would look at himself sleeping, and then he would wander out his front door, and it was the same landscape as where he would live, but without the tr without the houses. Pre like pre-construction, he could see Clarkston. And he the further, and the further away he got from his body, the colder he got, and he felt like he was getting detached, and he'd run back full throttle and jump into his bed and wake up, or jump into his body and wake up. And at the time I was like, Man, you guys got some wild stories I can't relate to this. And now the stuff that I'm listening to, I'm like, I'm hearing stories like this all the time. Yeah, it's more common than people know. We're just not encouraged to talk about it.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

Well, that's the thing. We, you know, over the years we've been shunned talking about it. I know that when growing up, I grew I dealt with this stuff for 15 years, and I would say stuff to my friends, and you know, they thought I was crazy, but I did, you know, it didn't bother me because I already knew I wasn't the only one going through it. My family members were too. So I knew I wasn't crazy and I knew I wasn't the only one. But over time they got more interested in what I had to say, and they're like, Can you tell me more about that stuff? So I did. Um but I tell you what, Jen, it helps to talk about this stuff and get it out there because you realize there's a lot of people out there dealing with the same thing, you know. And a shadow figure, um, sleep paralysis, those go hand in hand with the supernatural. You know, I I call it paranormal, whatever you want, but um, there's a reason why that sleep paralysis happens first, and then you see a figure because obviously something is controlling us. It's an interdimensional thing because physically something is happening happening to us, but then if you think about what you're looking at or what's looking at you, that's not very physical.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

Right. I I don't like discussing it because I don't want it to come back, so it frightens me. I don't want I don't want this ever again, and I certainly don't want my other children to have to deal with it, but um, it's almost like don't find me. You know, I'm not gonna talk about it. So don't find me, I don't want to do this again.

SPEAKER_03 21:39

Yeah, well, Outcast gave you that good advice, which we didn't ha think about. Outcast was saying, you know, we can rebuke these things in the name of Jesus Christ. But at the time when we were going through it, I didn't realize I could say that and that would have power over these things. I do now. But um, you know, if that's something that you're worried about, you know, that's That's the power in your hand right there, Jen.

SPEAKER_02 22:02

They are tricksters and they are going to try. I just was listening to a podcast today about this. They will try to intimidate you into thinking they have greater power than you have, but they don't. So this guy was listening to just today on a podcast. He uh he's a pastor and he's done, you know, cast demons out of people. And he's like, This thing, these things were like barking back at me, telling me to go to hell, and that I, you know, and he goes, If I was, if I was a lesser man of my faith, I'd be like, Oh, I I don't have I don't have what it takes. But that's their way of resisting um what's you know what's going on. So, anyways, I don't know what my point is with that, but I just want to encourage you that. I mean, uh Jen, are you you are are you a person of faith?

SPEAKER_00 22:43

I am, and that's another thing that's weird is that I was not baptized until after my second one was born. So this is at the same house that we lived in where this happened. That's when I was baptized. And um, I'm Catholic. And so I went through a year of RCIA, and then that's probably about the time it stopped. I don't want to relate that. I mean, but after that we moved and it didn't follow me.

SPEAKER_02 23:10

So I personally I'd relate it.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

I do too. You know, Jen, I'm I'm also Catholic. My grandparents have heavily Catholic. I mean, deep, deep, deep. I've told outcasts about this, and that's a whole lifetime of these experiences happening to all of us, multiple people in the family. Um, I don't know what it is that they're bringing or opening themselves up to. Uh, I'm talking about Catholics, us. Um but it makes it makes me think, well, what is this Catholic fake faith doing? Uh outcast as an outsider looking in, you might, I don't know what your thoughts are on that, but um, you know, I know that one half of my family was deeply Catholic, the other side was not. And I would never have any issues over on the other side of the family. It's just on this side where that deep-rooted faith was, and things were just coming through all the time.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

There's a lot of ways to view that. Um, and I I'm not an expert, you guys. I'm I'm a novice, so so don't take everything I say to the bank, maybe do your own research. But a couple things could be going on there. Um, if that side of the family was extra devoted in their faith, that's where you the attacks come sometimes. Okay, because they they want to take you off task because they're you're gonna they don't want you to do good on this in this this temporary flesh suit that we're here momentarily in for uh just a season. Um they don't want you to do good work, um, potentially. The other concern I have though, too, is um uh there is, and and I say this lightly, you guys, I'm not trying to pick in Catholicism. I'm not. I know people who are Catholic who are devout and they're great people and they have fruitful lives. But um I think it really takes a lot of faith and devotion, no matter what denomination you are in, uh, to safeguard yourself from this stuff. Being part-time, being lukewarm, being viewing it as like just a, you know, oh, I'm I'm religious. It's not about that. It's about relationship with Christ. So that's where it gets, it doesn't matter what your denomination is. I do worry about Catholicism sometimes because um a lot of their traditions are rooted in pagan uh traditions that they melded together in the Roman Catholic Church. So there could be things where they're the demonics are counting on Catholics to be not immersed in their Bible like a like a Protestant might be. Okay. So a lot of my a lot of my Catholic friends don't know their Bible like a Protestant does. Um they don't there's certain things so that they could prey on Catholics maybe sometimes for that reason, you know, because it's it's um not as uh it sometimes the homilies aren't as immersive as like a very evangelical church could be, you know. Yeah. Um and then the evangelical churches get wild too. I mean, you got churches handling snakes and stuff like that, and that I don't think God wants us doing that either. So I'm not trying to like um advocate for one religion or another. I know people, great people of all, and I know lost people in all. So it just comes down to how much you want to invest, you know, your heart into it. Uh it at the end of the day, it's about your relationship. I as my relationship with Christ grows, I find myself just praising him in my prayer life and just thanking him for breaking generational curses, breaking uh these strongholds of iniquity that are in my family line, breaking um evil assignments is set against me and curses and hexes that might be upon my life. I just it dawns on me now. The more I learn about this stuff, I'm like, I it could be a physical ailment, it could be all kinds of things that are tormenting you, and you realize, oh man, my mom or an ancestor could have really pissed somebody off, and some somebody in black magic might have put something on them. But our God is greater, our God is stronger, um, he is higher than any other. So when we turn to him wholeheartedly in 100% faith and say, Jesus, I need you in this moment, and I and not that not just words, like um the words can really fail you. Uh in the Bible talks, we you know, Pastor Eric talked about it. Um, these these uh guys that weren't Christians were trying to summon the God, the uh Jesus that Paul worships or something like that. And these this guy, this demon-possessed man beat them up and tore their clothes off and threw them in the street. It says, Paul, I know, and Jesus I know, who are you? So it does require you to have relationship with him in order for these things to, you know. And Jennifer, you know, if you have him in, if you have Jesus in your heart, um, that's why it stopped, you know. And and everybody, we all have our own journeys. Um, you know, your son might get to the point where his faith grows and it and it stops for him. Is he still continuing to have things going on?

SPEAKER_00 27:36

No, um, it stopped. So, and I he hasn't said anything about it, you know, coming back.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

I'll ask him, but uh Did you pray over him specifically in this situation?

SPEAKER_00 27:46

Oh, absolutely to myself because I didn't want him to go through that at all.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

It's um you have all the power that Christ has, he gave it to you as a gift. Once you became part of once you became his, he gave you every power and authority over these these things that he has. Yeah, and sorry, am I talking too much in my mom and you on the phone?

SPEAKER_00 28:07

No, no, no, it's fine. No, no, no, it's fine. I do get it, and I get what you say about Catholicism. I am not practicing as as of now because of the Pope. Um he is he is the devil, he is a demon, and I just I don't want anything to do with it.

SPEAKER_02 28:26

So you know some words of unity on this topic, too. Um, I have become complete, I say completely, very disillusioned with the majority of all churches, not just the Catholic Church, but Protestant churches as well, have gone, they've totally lost their way and they're totally being worldly, just like your Pope. We're we are the remnant. And the fact that you're taking a strong stand, I think, is great. I think um in the revelations it says that the church will be united in the end times. Well, what's gonna happen is the few of us that truly believe are gonna be gelling together like we are right now in this moment, right? So it really doesn't matter. I don't think God cares about denominations. He does, he just wants us to love his son.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

So I I'm I'm glad that you guys see the Pope this way. I know you I knew you would, but I mean, yeah, he's he's something's up with that dude. It ain't good.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

My husband is still practicing.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Is he?

SPEAKER_00 29:19

Yeah, my husband is still practicing, but my son, who I'm talking talking about, he is no longer practicing, he's with me. So we're just we're we're done.

SPEAKER_03 29:32

When you were having the ability's experiences between 18 and let's say 26, uh faith-wise, what were you like? Because I'm wondering if when our our faith is deeper, does that press yeah, pressing in when we're pressing in to our faith, is that opening a gateway because the enemy knows it and he wants to get in, try to prevent that? Yeah, is that the reason for some of these visitations, some of these entities showing up? Uh, you know, just something to think about, Jen. I don't know if something if what what your life was like between those years.

SPEAKER_00 30:10

Um, I wasn't not raised in the church. Um, I went to always went to church with friends. Um, my mom was raised Lutheran. And as her father, that was a Mason. I mean, he had he had a costume closet. I used to play with all of his stuff, and the weirdest funeral you've ever seen before in your life. I don't know if you've ever been to a funeral for a um a Mason, but it's nothing but chanting. It's odd.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

Chanting, red flag.

SPEAKER_03 30:46

All right, hold on, hold on one second, this is a whole new subject, and I want to get on this, Jen, if if you want to get into it. Before we look get into that subject, though, I want to read this to you guys.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

I'm just saying that he was still alive then.

SPEAKER_03 31:00

Okay. Um talking about sleep paralysis. I want to read this that says certain uh sufferers of sleep paralysis thus serve as conduits to the spiritual or demonic realm in a manner roughly similar to mediums or in a slightly different context. The teenager that's typically identified as the focal point for a poldergeist disturbance. So, you know, that's just something to throw on top of the whole sleep paralysis visitation by uh dark, uh, you know, a black mass shadow figure entities there. So this stuff seems to match up with your story and all the other shadow figure stories. It seems like that entity and sleep paralysis go together. Every single time I hear it, those two things are the common uh binder between them all.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

And and let me just I just want to, I just gotta get this out. I gotta say this real quick. Um, what's interesting is like how the I think you said your doctor said, Oh, it's sleep paralysis. Okay. Well, I can understand if there's a there's a physical anomaly that can happen where you have sleep paralysis. Let's say they say, Oh, well, you know, your your blood pressure drops and this happens, and it's just that. But when there is when you're seeing a figure with it, that goes into another realm. I'm sorry, that's not a physical anomaly, that is something else. Wouldn't you would you would you not agree?

SPEAKER_00 32:19

Oh, I I completely agree. I'm like, this is not sleep paralysis, there's somebody there.

SPEAKER_03 32:23

Yeah, yeah. Well, Jen, hopefully we we never have to deal with any shadow visitors again or uh, you know, dark uh black masses and shadow figures. So let's let's move on. Uh unless you want to say some more about that. Is there any more that you have to say about that part of it?

SPEAKER_00 32:41

No, that's it. It went away and hopefully it never comes back.

SPEAKER_03 32:45

Good.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

Well, let's uh stay close to stay close to Jesus, and it will not.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

Yeah, and remember the words you're fine. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

Okay, so I've heard you guys say that a few times.

SPEAKER_03 32:56

Yeah. So, okay, let's move into this next uh part of the story. Um, is there is there a certain year or certain place is in the same place that we can talk about the the Mason uh part of the story?

SPEAKER_00 33:15

Um I grew up with it. My grandparents lived never lived in Michigan when I was alive, but they um moved from and he was very involved in the Masons. He was also a shriner, so he did the good things, you know, with the children and sold the oranges and the circuses, and now I hear and everything, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't want to hear anything of this stuff because my grandfather was like the sweetest, most gentle man I've ever met before in my life. And the things that I hear, I'm like, there's absolutely no way that my grandfather would ever participate in any of this. But my grandmother was an Eastern star, she was German. Um, she was not the nicest woman in the world. So I always ask them, what do you do? Like, what do you do at your meetings, you know? And not a word.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

Can't tell you not a word. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 34:16

I was never told anything, and I asked all the time, even as an adult, I asked, Hey, so grandpa, what are you doing? What are you doing tonight when you go to your your meeting? What are you doing? It's like, oh, we just sit around and we talk. And then I watch videos, I'm like, that's not talking, that's like ritualistic stuff. No one I know by a costume closet and hats and masks and just crazy stuff. But um the funerals, what really got to me is when they all showed up and they were all wearing like aprons, and they were like speaking in tongues, and it was the weirdest thing. If I can get my hand on the video, I'll send it to you, Jesse.

SPEAKER_03 35:02

I would love that.

SPEAKER_00 35:04

It's very odd. And I asked my grandmom, like, hey, can I have all of his me since all of this stuff? His ring, you know, he always wears ring, um, his um cuff links, everything. Can I have anything? And she's like, No, it all has to go back. Well, I took his cufflinks, I have them. I'm not supposed to, but I took them because that was him.

SPEAKER_03 35:27

Can okay. How old were you when he took the cufflinks?

SPEAKER_00 35:32

Um he died, I want to say 12 years ago. Wait, he had dementia for many years before that.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

Okay, so that doesn't cross with the stuff from before.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

From the sleep paralysis and never put it together. You know, I never I never thought of it like that until you're talking about it now. I would never I never thought about you know having that connection and then me going through RCIA becoming Catholic, doing all the sacraments. That's the word, sacraments. And then I never put those together to think that maybe this is why it stopped or this is why it began or could be. How do you know?

SPEAKER_03 36:23

Okay. Yeah, I just didn't know if the timelines uh overlapped or not, but um just something to think about. Um okay, let's keep going. So the the after the cufflinks.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

Oh, does I took the cufflinks and my grandmother passed away shortly after that. Um but that's about all I have. I have that and I have his initiation sheet where he actually was um brought in. I can't remember. He was the Scottish right. Scottish right. And I don't know, because you have to be invited, I don't know who invited him. But I do know he was pretty high up.

SPEAKER_03 37:09

So if he's Scottish right, now I have a a bit of Scottish and and and so does Outcast in in our background. Um was he Scottish? Your grandparents he was English. He was English, okay.

SPEAKER_00 37:25

Grandparents are both in England. He was born in England.

SPEAKER_03 37:28

Oh, he was born in England, emigrated here. Um okay outcast, what what's your thoughts on that? Scottish Right?

SPEAKER_02 37:36

You know, I don't I don't think you have to be Scottish to be in the Scottish Right. I think it's just one of the branches that you can be involved in. I did a tour of the Masonic Temple in Detroit um probably around 1995. And um there's portraits of Washington in there, but they don't look exactly like the Washington we're used to seeing on our on our money. And the the conspiracy is that the real Washington was not a Mason, and he was taken out and replaced by a Mason. And because there was no photograph photography back then, they could find a look-alike, and nobody would be the wiser because what you saw in newspapers and whatnot were just illustrations. Um, so so I don't know if that's true or not, but I've I heard that many, many years ago that they that they swapped, they did a presidential swap on us.

SPEAKER_03 38:26

Um I I I ended up finding what I was talking about. It was the Bavarian Illuminati group. Um, it was in founded in 1776 by Adam Weishopt. Uh he's a professor of canon law, um, former Jesuit. Uh he wanted to replace Christianity with a re a religion of reason, and the members of his society called himself uh perfectibilitists. Perfectibilists, perfectibilists, perfectibilists. The site the society was carefully structured and divided into three main classes. Weishhop's recruitment efforts spread across the cities of Bavaria, and he also made connections with a number of Masonic lodges where his group often managed to gain prominent position. The movement over time acquired a rigorously complex constitution and international communication conducted in uh in cipher, so it was written in in some sort of a code. Um at its zenith, the Bavarian Illuminati operated in a very large area extending from Italy to Denmark and from Warsaw to Paris. The movement was ultimately banned, and Weisthop was stripped of his professorship at Ingelo or Ingle Ingolstadt. No evidence of a variant order appears in the historic historical records after 1785. So this is what I've remember of this kind of thing going underground, changing names, going underground, and infiltrating other lodges. So I just like I said, it's I'm just throwing that in there because I'm not sure if all Masonic and Freemasonry was bad or all good.

SPEAKER_00 40:08

Is there a list of the lodges that were infiltrated?

SPEAKER_03 40:12

Um not that I can tell. Uh right now, if you think about every small town in the United States, I'm talking the smallest towns. What is there pretty much at every corner? What building is there?

SPEAKER_02 40:30

There's Masonic Lodge.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

Masonic Lodge. We were just back in a wasso, and we were um, we went to a little corner pub, and there's a whole table of them wearing all their stuff. I'm like, it's still here, and that town is old, and it's like 15,000 people.

SPEAKER_02 40:48

Yeah, you know, forgive me for speaking in general general generalities, but um, I think the Bible's pretty clear that we're to avoid secret societies. So I think any claim that one is better than the other uh is is dicey at best. I think. I mean, nothing against your grandfather. Um, I I think a lot of people enter it not having a clue what they're getting involved with. They really don't. And you don't know, you don't really find out what you're involved with until you get really high up, and then you're in it, and you can't really get out because you're it's once you're in, you're in. Um so so I mean, I'm sorry if I'm I'm just babbling, but I'm just thinking out loud here. I think it would be I think just like anything, there's probably people involved that are totally great people who do good things and they love doing the benevolent part and they like helping out and whatever. But at the end of the day, um there's I think there's only one society we need to be joined up with, and that's the the the family of Christ. Anything else is suspect. And here's the thing, too, about all things we're talking governments, uh church, you know, or giant churches, religions of any kind. At some point, the devil's gonna want to have influence over it. If it has influence over people, it they then the devil wants influence over it. So even if things were started at some point with good intentions, um, we have to accept the fact that anything organized, anything big is gonna the devil's gonna want to be involved and he's gonna find he will find a way, right? So that's why as individuals, we have to be resolute and and making time to connect with with Jesus and have a relationship with him and read our Bibles and and and armor up because uh the world is beset against us from every angle. I mean, from governments to secret societies to even your local church can have big problems within with it, and you know, um not anything organized, I think, should be suspect at this point. Well, if that's helpful or not, but just thinking all that any feedback on that, Jen?

SPEAKER_00 42:41

Oh, I agree, I completely agree. I I want to think that believe that my grandfather is in heaven, but who knows? I don't know what happened, I don't know what he did, I don't know what he was involved in, and it was his whole life. He went, he was in the navy after his four years. He um was invited, and he was in it his whole life. He died when he was 88. Wow, so that's a long time. I'm sure he knew a lot.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

Yeah, uh, we we we I guess we'll never know if there's some things high is you can say that about me too. I don't know if there's something following me still over all these years because of of my first 15 years. I guess at some point we'll know, but I do I can tell you that I do have two friends that are low-level Masons, and you know, and I asked them separately, I said, Hey, you know, going in with the mindset that I have right now, I said, Why are you a Mason? And and how'd you get in here? And you know, both of them had the same, same story, and they don't know each other. One, they're they're in separate states, but they had the same answer. It's like, well, you know, we're we're here to to meet with other men, uh You know, talk about our businesses, uh, you know, uh support the small town, give to all these charities, uh, have these parades and do all these things, you know. So that's what we see all the time in our little parades that are all around town, right? And I said, Okay, well, what about do you know the 33rd ma uh degree years that are in your lodges? And they do. And I said, Do you know what they do? Uh they know their answers were, well, I pretty much the same thing as we know only is what they tell us. There's information up at the top, there's knowledge at the top that they're not privy to right now because they're still down here. So I don't know how long it takes to get to that level or what they have to do. We've all heard the stories. I'm just curious to ask these guys, say, hey, uh, where are you at now? How's your journey going? What are you into? Have you seen anything that gives you red flags? Uh, you know, that's that's that's what the question that I would have next time I see them.

SPEAKER_02 45:14

You know, just uh if you guys don't mind, hopefully I'm not we're not diverting from Jen's story much. Are we is there more that you want to tell? Or because I could keep going, but I just want to get this out real quick too. They listen, here's where we've got to look at this too. I know people who are masons also, and they're great people. I the real nice people. Um, not to say anything bad about them, but they do tell me how much commitment and time it takes to be a Mason. And they have to rehearse for plays and memorize stuff. And now, here's the interesting thing. Um, the Bible says that we need to um meditate constantly, meditate on our, you know, on scripture and prayer and worship. We have to fill our mind with those things. That's in order to block out other influences. And if the Masons have got you so busy chasing your tail, and this one guy I know, uh he's a great guy, I love him. Um, one of my doctors, I call him down in Archbold, Ohio, and he's got to go travel hours away to go facilitate uh some ceremony that they don't know how to do in this other lodge. And he's got and they they just stretch him everywhere. And let's say it's all innocent and he's enjoying himself. He doesn't sound like it, honestly. He sounds like he's burning out and he wants to take a step back. But once they got you, there's a lot, there's always something to be done, and there's always something to be memorized. And so and now let me ask you this how much of God's work are you gonna do if you're if your time is filled with that? How much scripture are you gonna memorize when you're too busy memorizing um recitals for plays? So, so so at the very least, it sounds like it's a real a lot of busy work. Um, I'm too lazy for that. I don't want I don't want anybody telling me what to do with my time. Uh I'm too much of a slacker. But I mean, at the very least, you could argue, even if there isn't anything dark and nefarious, which I think is highly unlikely, but even if there isn't, what what would what could you do with that time dedicated to charity or to spreading the gospel? You could do a lot. So, once again, if we're in a spiritual war and the one side is trying to pull you off your task and the others and the angelics are trying to keep you on task, I would say that they fall into the category of the world trying to pull you off task and give you lots of busy work on their tasks. So I just sorry, I had to throw that in there. I apologize.

SPEAKER_00 47:25

That makes sense. Distraction.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

Distraction, just like you know, music for kids and you know, teenagers love their, you know, music artists, and um, you know, some people love their soap operas, other people love their whatever it is, movies and Hollywood and sci-fi or gaming, whatever it is, it's designed to to to take your eye off the prize off of what your goal is. Um, I I didn't mean not did not mean to hijack so much of this conversation.

SPEAKER_00 47:51

No, no, no, I no, it's no, that's fine. I ain't talk about that, I didn't talk about anything. I just don't want the thing to come back.

SPEAKER_03 48:01

You know, that's that's the thing for me too, is like you know, I don't want it to come back, I don't want it to go to my kids or anything else, but I know there is a certain family member that it does seem to follow. And um I don't want it to jump over to me, and I don't think it will. I don't think that's how it works. I don't think it jumps like that, but there is a certain family member that it does follow. Nobody that lives with me, I'm telling you. But um, I don't know. There's there's so much unknown. I mean, that's why all this stuff is such a mystery, you guys. Uh, you know, we can keep talking about this because it makes us feel better, and to know that there's other people out there that have gone through so much of this stuff, but still at the end, there's still there's still so much mystery and you know um searching for answers, you know. So I but I do think it helps us out uh individually to to talk about these things. I mean, there's a realm out there that we're not gonna we we don't have we don't have the the the authority or the privilege to know right now, but I think that crosses over somehow into our reality and it can do it whenever it wants. We just can't go back and forth uh unless there's something that's taking us there, guiding us there. Um most of the time when that happens, most of the time it's under not under our power. Uh I've heard a lot of stories about us being taken. You said one earlier, Outcast, um, where somebody can be taken out of their own body and look at themselves. Well, most of the time it's not them doing that. It's somebody else that's doing it. Now we know that we do know that military, um, you know, the deepest parts of our military, they've been working on these things for decades and they have accomplished a lot of these things.

SPEAKER_02 50:05

So who's to know that if we're you're you're making reference to remote viewing programs, correct?

SPEAKER_03 50:11

Yeah. You know, these these are the all these programs are out there, there's so many of them. And who's to know that these things aren't crossing over into um our lives? I mean, I have military, ex-military people in my family in my life. Did any of that stuff come through them? I don't know. Without them knowing it, I don't know. There's just so much unknown, but um, I'll tell you, to to talk about some of these things, it takes stuff off your mind. And it does it does for me. I know. Um you know, Jen, it maybe it does for you too, but um, you know, the in closing, let you know, we have a few minutes left. Let us know what what else do you have uh that's on your mind that if there's any more, you told us a lot already.

SPEAKER_00 51:03

Not much, it's just that it would have been nice to have this 26 years ago, you know, someone to talk to because I had no one. My doctor and my husband, but yeah. If you have never experienced it, you can't you can't relate.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

Right. Yeah, you can't. Um I'm like, why me?

SPEAKER_00 51:24

Why me? Why me?

SPEAKER_02 51:27

Is your it's just a weird question, is your heart like utterly racing when this is happening? You can't move, but your heart is pounding like are you like in total fear?

SPEAKER_00 51:36

Until I got used to it.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

Well, yeah, you were you had you were crying, you had tears. Yeah, you know, so you we're talking about sleep paralysis again, and that sleep paralysis is a deep thing. You know, when we first started uh our podcast, there was there were a couple of months, remember that first year, maybe there's a second year outcast, where we had uh so many people texting us about sleep paralysis, and in those it was I want to say it was like August, September-ish in that time frame a couple years ago.

SPEAKER_02 52:10

It was around the time we started doing the podcast. It was like those earliest episodes that was happening.

SPEAKER_03 52:15

Yeah, so you know, at that time we were just dabbling into it. I think we have a few episodes over there. Um I think I remember, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:24

Then jab call paralysis.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

I wasn't jabbed, but I had I I wouldn't say I don't know if it was I technically, I guess it could be called paralysis, but um I've said on the show before, but I had a dream. It was at a time I was starting to really get press into God and get closer. I had this dream, um, and it was uh it was a feminine energy and it was attractive, and it turned scary, like like demonic. And I said, you know, I I yelled out, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ, and it went away. I woke up. And then, like about five, six days later, something similar, it wasn't exactly the same, came back. But when I went to rebuke it, I couldn't speak. It had tied my tongue. And I was like in my bed. Uh, my wife was I went to bed before my wife, and she comes running and she's like, Are you okay? I mean, I was like, ah, I was like, Yeah, I couldn't say anything. There was no words, but I was yelling, and she's like, I've never heard you yell like that ever. Like I was freaking out, um, trying to speak, and I couldn't. Uh so and and I took that at the time as intimidation. I thought, you know, I am not gonna say this is some tormentor that I can't escape.

SPEAKER_01 53:34

Right.

SPEAKER_02 53:34

I I just pressed in further with my faith, you know, and started praying over that kind of stuff in particular, you know, breaking generational curve. And I realized the demonic realm, they want to derail you. They want, they do not want you on task. Jen, you are a spiritual being sent here, pre-chosen by Jesus Christ before the foundation of the earth was even laid to be alive at this time in history, right now. And the other realms that are not held by linear time want to trip that that journey up for you, they want you off task.

SPEAKER_00 54:02

Jesse and I talk about that a lot. I agree. There's a reason it's like, why am I the way that I am? Why do I think like like you guys? Why none of my friends do? No one else does. Why why me? Because I want to know.

SPEAKER_03 54:17

Listen, we're we're all purebloods here, right? We're all pure bloods that are trying to get through this and navigate this thing. And um do you think uh, Jen, that there during any of this time that you were going through all this stuff, is there have you ever had premonitions in your life where you would see things you have? Okay. Do you want to say talk about that for a minute?

SPEAKER_00 54:52

Um, it could be something as little as, you know, driving at night, and I know one night my husband was driving, it's down Holly Road, you know how dark it is on Holly Road, and I I said there's a truck ahead that's not gonna have you know lights on. And sure enough, about five minutes after that there was a truck without any backlights. Just things like that. I scare myself. I scare myself I scare my husband, I scare my mom. Um but it's a lot of things I do get though, and I'm like, this better not be a premonition because it could be something that's bad that's gonna happen to someone or something, you know. And I it's like I talk myself out of it. But I when I have like that real like boom, it's just like gets in your head like right away. I didn't think about it, it's just like bam, I see it.

SPEAKER_03 55:50

And you know, it happens.

SPEAKER_00 55:53

A lot of times I keep my mouth shut, I don't say anything, I'm like, I'm not gonna say anything, and then it happens, and I'm like, Yep.

SPEAKER_03 56:00

Okay, so for example, now uh a lot of the premonitions that I've had just in the within the last few years, um I didn't say anything, and I wish I would have to somebody because maybe if we say something it will stop what we just saw. And I wish I would have for one of my friends. Um there's some of these premonitions that I've had, Jen, and I don't know if it's the same for you, but I've had multiple in the same exact location in somebody's yard. Now that leads that leads me to believe, yeah, in this in this area that I'm talking about where it's happened is old American ancient American Indian grounds. As you know, this whole area around Michigan, Southeast Michigan, is that there's so much of that around here. So, you know, I I'm I don't know if that has anything to do with it, what you know what we're seeing, but um just another question that I've thrown out there that I don't have an answer for, and I don't think any of us will. But these premonitions happen. And again, I you know, I'll tell my wife about these some of these things, and she's you know, it freaks her out too. Because I, you know, I'll say, hey, uh, I just saw this. And when it happens, I'm not the only one that's freaked out.

SPEAKER_00 57:34

Right. Do you tell a lot of people, or do you just keep it to yourself and you just like I know this is gonna end? It might not be, it might be something little.

SPEAKER_03 57:43

I try to tell as many people as I can. Um, but what I'm what I'm trying to do now, and tomorrow is another day uh that I'll be in the same yard that I go into where I've had these multiple things happen, and I'll be there tomorrow, tomorrow morning before noon. Um every time I'm there, it's on my mind. So I try to push it away before it can happen, as if I have any control over it. I don't know if I do or not. Okay, it might be something that happens because as soon as I take my mind off of trying to push it away, it comes in. Almost like it knows it's waiting for me to have my mind off on the something else. But if I'm actively in my mind saying, okay, I'm gonna I'm thinking this, I'm thinking this, I'm thinking this. Oh, there goes somebody, boom, it happens. That's when it happened.

SPEAKER_00 58:36

That could be considered witchcraft, right? We would be burned at the stake if you know you shared stuff like this years and years ago.

SPEAKER_03 58:42

There, there you go. So that's what I'm saying. This stuff isn't is ancient, it is not just it's it's not just a new thing. This goes way back, and and so that we are communicating or something's communicating with us on a level that's not physical. What does that mean? I mean, listen, it's all a mystery, you guys. This is all a mystery, and you know, maybe we can pick this up again if we if some more stuff happens, Jen, or if you just want to talk some more about this kind of stuff. But to me, this is a great big mystery. And you know, Jen, let's get some final thoughts from you uh on your stories. Uh they've they've been great, and um, and then we'll we'll we'll respond back to you before we go.

SPEAKER_00 59:26

One more thing on that um is I have thought about it. Um, you know my last my maiden name. And it's Native American. My father's Native American. If you think about my ancestors from that side, and what like maybe that comes from them. Maybe I don't know. I I don't know. I it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 59:52

The the places that I've had all my experiences, every experience has been in Native American territory.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:02

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:04

Okay, I saw you had your hand up.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:07

Oh, who knows? You guys may you keep stimulating me on a lot of levels, but um yeah, that's fascinating. It's it's almost like we're I think that everything in our culture, uh you know, including our education system, everything is meant to beat this stuff out of us. So earlier we talked about the um remote viewing. And if if any of our listeners out there, if it's new, if it's new to them, they can do a little research and find out about it. But it's a real deal program that's probably ongoing right now, and they have people that they train into astral projecting out of their body to remote view areas that they need information or intel on. It's a real program and that gets real results. Okay. Now, that being said, we uh the government obviously knows that we have this ability. Have we ever been taught to cultivate it, grow it, nurture it, um, feed it? No. We're we're told we're told that we're monkeys made out of a big bang happenstance oopsie daisy. That's that's the education system we have. So the the very same people who are trying to harness these abilities and use them for their benefit are this is the same institutions that are trying to tell us that there's no God and there's no there's nothing else out there. You just you just work and die. So that that's extremely compelling to me. That just says that's far out. That they know they know we have these these strengths and these, and everybody has their own abilities. Like you guys are talking about premonitions. Mine is a little different. Um, I have, and this is uncannily active all the time. I can be thinking about somebody and they will call. And in it's in it's um it's all the time. I it's on a daily basis. I walk into my customers' accounts and I'm like thinking, where should I go today? I think I'm gonna stop in this. I walk in the door and they go, we were just talking about you. Um the the most profound one that ever happened to me, uh, and it's a true story. Um, I was going through a really bad breakup, and um, I was thinking about a girl that I knew from high school, and I thought, man, I'd like to talk to her, but she's probably married with kids, but man, I'd like to find out what happened to her. At the same time, I'm thinking, man, and I also'd like to talk to my my childhood best buddy Tony, because I need somebody to talk to him. You know, I'm hurting right now. So this is a long time ago. This is back in the 90s. My phone rings, there's no there's no caller ID, none of that stuff. My phone rings, I go over, I pick it up, and I go, Is this Tony? And he goes, dude, how did you do that? I'm like, I don't know. I just have this thing. And he goes, Well, well, she goes, check it out. I'm back in town and I'm working at a grocery store and I and I I met this girl and she says she knows you. And I said, Is it? And I said my wife's name. And he goes, How did you do that? I'm like, I was just thinking about both of you. Yeah, and I'm married to that woman now.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:43

Yeah. Jen, you want to respond to that?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:47

No, I just think it's, you know, you always think, oh my gosh, it's just a coincidence or whatever. But when it happens all the time, there's something more than that. And sometimes I think that I am, and I've been told I'm heads headstrong. I don't know if both of you are headstrong. Um, even if you've ever had surgery, like it takes a lot to put me under. Like I'm like, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it. And my dad is the same exact way. It's just, I think, like you said, you know, we're taught to ignore all this and whatnot. It's like, well, I'm not, because it's real. And I'm here.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:25

I'm not going anywhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:26

Amen that you're here. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:27

Yeah, yeah, amen. And you know, I think what what we should all, all three of us should, and anybody listening that should take away from all this is that if you do feel like you have these gifts, maybe we should try to just just to make sure we're on the right path, just dedicate it to God. Say, hey, if you've given me this, if you've given me this ability, I want to glorify you. Don't let anybody else take advantage of this or try to get me off path of you. Let me, you know, this is a talent you gave me. Let me use it for good. You know, I think that would be anything we dedicate to God, usually good things come out of it. But I could see where you could get led astray, too. I mean, I think the dark side could take these talents, these, these gifts, and make you question his promises or, you know, lead you down a whole nother path where I believe the pagan religions essentially are worshiping, um, and nothing against the Native Americans. I actually have a big soft spot in my heart for the Native American plight, but I think all cultures that don't worship Yahweh, God the Creator, what they are they're doing is they're ultimately kind of frequently worshiping creation instead of the creator. Yeah, that goes for crystal people and all that stuff. You know, there is power in all that stuff. There really is. There is, it's not fake, it's real.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:34

The crystals, all the crystals and oh yeah. Oh yeah. I know quite a few people that believe in that crap, and I'm like, I'm out.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:41

Oh, I I I like to say it like this. I just I kind of I'm it's insulting to them, but I just go, it's very trendy. It is, it's trendy.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:48

It's but it's but I'm that's trendy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:53

But but but at the same time, it is real. There is they're tapping into something, it's just it's but they're tapping into not the cre kind of like the ain't you know when we talk about the Nephilim, it's like what they what the devil ended up doing there was getting people to worship the children of the genetic rebellion against God as opposed to God the creator. Everything is meant to take your eyes off the creator and try to tap into the energy of the creation. And um, you know, like you know, even we have a guest on our show regularly, and she always says, you know, I'm just gonna put it out there in the unit, you know. I'm I pray to the universe. It's like, well, if God created the universe, why don't you just pray to the creator and not what he created?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:26

Yeah, yeah. Like I said, I'm not going anywhere. You can people can talk to me until they're blue in the face, and I'm like, nope, I know what I know. I believe in what I believe in, and that's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:37

God bless you, sister. That means you're based. You're based, Jen. So listen, there's so much more that we could keep going down, but I think this is good enough for this episode right here. And you know, we'll we'll stay in touch. And you know, if some more stuff comes up, we'll we'll discuss it. People need to know about these things, and it and people need to be aware that there's so many of us out here that this stuff happens to. And you don't have to be. Because we're not crazy. We listen, there's a reason why these things are choosing us, okay? I have a lot of friends who are ag uh agnostic. They get none of this stuff. There's gotta be a reason why we do and they don't. Okay. Sounds boring to be that we love them too. So listen. Thank you, Jen. Any any uh final thoughts before you go?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:42

Jen, thank you so much for coming on and sharing something that's been very personal to you. I think that when I I have a personal belief that when we share experiences good and bad, it helps other people know that they're not alone. And that's that is that's a ministry into itself. You think about it, there's people out there that want to perpetrate that they have no problems and they go, Oh, our family, you know, our family's perfect over here. And and I don't think that that's fair to do because a lot of people's families aren't perfect. Uh and it makes them feel very alone when they look at everybody else like that is. So you know, this is a this is an extension of that. I mean, if you are struggling with something or you struggled and you conquered it, your story can give other people hope. So thanks for uh for courageously coming on to share something that was deeply personal for you. We really do appreciate it. We're honored to have that story uh now part of the podcast uh experience here.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:30

Thank you. It was nice to share it with someone.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:33

And I hope we get to meet in person someday.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:35

Yes, we will.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:36

We will. I think so too. We'll have a little reunion. All right, you guys. Yeah. Excellent. It's been it's been great, Jen. And uh thank you for sharing and uh being so open about this stuff. It's been great. Thanks.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:48

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:49

Good night.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:50

Good night.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:51

Oh, such a great testimonial tonight. We'd love to hear from you guys too. I know there's stories out there that need to be heard. So listen, get a hold of us. Send us an email at mystery pie podcast at protonmail.com. Thank you so much to our guests, and thanks for spending a little time with us tonight. And until next time, you guys, stay mysterious.